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Motley May Be Making a Big Mistake

Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 12:01AM by Registered CommenterAllyson B. Crawford | Comments24 Comments

Look, I don't like Hinder. I've written that before. You all came in - somewhat vigorously I might add - to say I should give them a chance. Fine, I'm giving them a chance. I'm seeing them live in December. I have make-up tickets because X-Fest was canceled. Once would be enough.

Now, Motley Crue has announced they will do a winter arena tour with Hinder. Ok, so Hinder slipped and made the announcement, but I figure Motley's big press event is just around the corner. I think Nikki Sixx - and therefore Motley - is making a huge mistake. There are so many reasons. Let's drill it down:

1) The economy is crap and Motley just toured. That means market saturation.
2) AC/DC is touring this winter in North America. There are just a few bands that can withstand economic crisis. AC/DC is one.
3) See number one again. Motley Crue just toured. Seriously.
4) Since Motley Crue just toured (we're driving a point here) the chance of filling arenas ain't looking good.

Ok, so there are my four big points. You'll notice none of them mention Hinder. Here's the fifth point: Hinder may be a great band. Hell, I don't like them, but my opinion doesn't count for too much. I just don't know if they have the draw Motley needs to put butts in the seats. I feel like I'm becoming a broken record here, but I've said "music is a business" over and over to anyone that would listen nonstop the past couple of weeks. I  live and breathe music. I do not, however, pay my mortgage through music. No, the individual members of Motley don't have to worry to much about the current economy. Other bands - our favorite smaller Glam bands - do. Big time. When big bands, with big money and big power continue to make big mistakes (notice a buzz word here?) it's the little guys who often suffer. Not to mention that people that do the actual business of making music. You know, tours just don't pop up. Bands just don't land on Larry King Live. Promotions do not fall from the sky. Hordes of people work to support an industry that has been under fire for quite a long time. It's usually the youngest (and therefore poorest) staff members that get the shaft first when a bad decision trickles down. Remember kids, shit rolls down hill. And it always stinks.

So back to Motley Crue and their winter escapade. Will I go? Yeah, I'll buy another over priced ticket to see Motley. Again. Will I watch Hinder, too? Yep. Will I like them? Meh. The point is not everyone is like us. Remember, dearest readers, we're a very special breed. It would not occur to 99% of the population to Google the words "Glam + Metal." The elite 1% of us that get it know just how important it is to make delicate - yet direct - steps in the music world these days. Promotion is so much more than getting a band on the cover of Rolling Stone. It's also giving your fans their money's worth - by touring with acts that add value.

Why isn't Crue Fest 2.0 or Winterfest or whatever the hell this upcoming tour is called a double bill? Is it because Motley hate the term Glam? Is it because they don't want to share the stage? Is it because another headline act would eat too far into the profit margin?

Whew. All that said, I feel like I need to step off the soap box and explain the passion here. Motley Crue are very important to me. I honestly don't give a fig about their opening band - except that I think the act should fit the demographic. I believe Buckcherry was an excellent act to take as the second headliner on Crue Fest this past summer. Maybe Hinder will work. Maybe not. Truth be told, I do not think I can bare watching Motley playing to near empty venues. When I saw Def Leppard a few months ago - the size of the crowd devastated me. In times of recession, people pick and choose. People may very well pick a tour by a band that hasn't been around in a while. That makes fundamental sense. I'm worried that if this winter tour goes belly-up, Motley will either 1) call it quits for good or 2) be forced out immediately again by Live Nation. Neither scenario is great.

Ok, time for your thoughts.



Reader Comments (24)

i think you are totally wrong here. this is the way motley has been doing it for years. they hit the major markets in the summer and then hit other areas in the fall/winter. their last tour they hit dallas, kansas city, etc and then came back around to tulsa and little rock. they will sell out their shows unless the venues decide to charge more money. as you yourself said, you will pay to see them again. as for hinder, they're not a selling point for me. for that matter, neither is motley. the only way i'll go is if i win tickets. i've already paid excessively for ac/dc so that will be it for awhile, although white lion is coming to tulsa next month for a very reasonable $18 a ticket. hmmmmmmmmm
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterdon
I'm a little skeptical of this post...but I'm gonna mull over it a little and see if I can't come up with a better opinion in the morning...

although I can say right now I don't think the consequences of them touring are going to be nearly as devastating as you make it out to be.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterr0ck0n
Allyson, I very much hope your wrong, although I can see the logic in what your saying. I will be sincerely annoyed if Motley dont come to Europe, but as it is winter, y'know there might be too much snow on the roof.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterLucifer
if they come to the UK i will go see them - dont know much on Hinder - i was hoping 'rockets to ruin' would be the support.

Im going to see Vince on a solo show here in the UK later in the year and i hope Crue follow suit and appear over here again SOON.

AC/DC tic kets go on sale Friday so looks like an expensive winter.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterred6ixx
HINDER ARE FUCKING AMAZING!!!
How do u not like them!
and i'll def. go but its not untill next year january and after till the tour starts so it wont really be alongside ac/dc/ in the U.S.A

GO LISTEN TO USE ME!

and mick mars is playing on the title track of hinder's new cd Take It To The Limit!
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMotleyCrue666
I'm with you ALison. I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw the announcement on Blabbermouth. I'm not a fan of Hinder but hey, Motley has to draw the young audience in somehow, so yes, smart move on their part. And what happened to the Contest? What band won?
With the economy in a complete HOLE right now I have to say after hearing this announcement I actually didn't get excited but just STRESSED on yet another tour that will cost me high dollar tickets and I'm sure tickets will be going on sale in December (right when everyone is already overly stressed b/c of Holiday shopping, not such a smart move in my opinion). We all know they are work horses and can't stay off the road. I just hope they step it up with the set list!
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterkari
FIRST OFF HINDER BLOWS! SECOND I THINK YOUR A LITTLE WRONG ON UR ARTICLE. I LIVE IN NJ AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE IS STRUGGLING SOMEWHAT BUT MAJOR MARKETS WILL HAVE NO PROB FILLING SEATS. NY AND NJ PHILY BALT DC ALL HUGE AREAS AND I DONT THINK THIS WILL BE A FULL BLOWN 40-50 CITY TOUR I THINK IT WILL BE IN SELECT MARKETS. RIGHT NOW BY ME THE ECONOMY IS STILL PRETTY STRONG BUT WHAT DO I KNOW. I'LL BE GOING TO THE GIG! CHEERS EVERYONE
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGNFR
Who really cares about Hinder I love Motley and could care less who opens for them. Its not like back in the day when they always had a cool hairband open for them like whitesnake, GNR or Warrant.Now I can take my time getting to the show and not care about the opening band as for a winter tour thats awesome theres not usually alot of tours going on at that time of year. i cant wait to see the Crue again even thou its probably the hunf=dredth time ive seen them.Gotta watch Vince sing every tenth word in the songs and Tommy act like a wigger. Thank god for Sixx and Mars!
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterFitz
I imagine the tour will do fine if they hit the cities they didn't on Crue Fest. For instance, I'm in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area and Crue Fest didn't come too close to us. And it's been a few years since Motley played here. We're a big city, so if they come I would imagine they'd do ok.

Here's an idea though...why don't bands like Motley try to cut down on the pyro and stuff and play a 'back to basics' type tour where it's stripped down, no fluff, and they could charge less. Just think...instead of charging like $50 and playing to a half-empty arena, they could charge $20-30 and probably fill everyplace. I know the pyro, video screens, dancing girls, are all part of the spectacle, but if you can't be good without all that extra stuff, then maybe it's time to hang it up.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge
First time poster,have followed you for a year. I don't think you could be more wrong, and there are plenty of reasons from a fans standpoint but from an economical standpoint the economy is not as bad as it could be, or is going to, get. If I was a bands management I would be telling them to get off there ass and get whatever money that could be got before the getting isn't feasible at all. That's just good business sense.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterFrank
i couldnt dissagree with you more allyson. hinder kicks ass and are glam enough to be on tour with motley crue. i dont care what anyone says hinder is prob the best new band to come out in the last 5 years.there new single use me is amazing and there new ballad without you is one of the best ballads ive heard recently.Hinder will put on a great show no doubt.once you see them live you will change your mind on how you feel about them.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterbrandon
I just heard the new Hinder song on the radio a few minutes ago, and caught myself bobbing my head. To me, that means it's at least decent. I really enjoyed their first disc, but haven't had a chance to hear anything but the first single from their latest offering.

As for Motley, if they come around here and the tickets are reasonable, I'll go. With a longer set, they should be able to play more from SOLA (just like we all wanted them to during the summer tour). I've already decided I'm not going to the AC/DC show unless I win free tickets, because $90 is just way too much for me to spend on that. I saw Van Halen for $50ish, and to me VH is WAY better than AC/DC. Motley outranks them both (again, this is for ME), but not sure if I would spend $50 because I've just seen them. I'd love to hear some of the new stuff live, but not $50 love. :)
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJT
I too am a little confused...another tour? Very odd. But I'm also excited seeing as how I didn't get to go to Cruefest. I think your post may be a little worst-case-scenario, but I do think it's quite possible. And I gotta put a word in for my favorite band...when I saw Def Leppard this past August, the place was MAXED OUT. It was crowded and electric. I love those guys!
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterPlainJane
I was thinking of seeing Hinder with Trapt and Rev Theory in Myrtle Beach, until yesterday when they posted an Avenged Sevenfold show with Shinedown. Needless to say, I'm seeing Avenged Sevenfold and not Hinder.

BUT, I'd be happy to see Hinder tour with Motley. Besides Lips of an Angel, I really like them. And of course, Motley's my favorite band so I'd love to see them again, as long as they hit somewhere like...Raleigh, instead of Charlotte. I'm not going over 3 hours to see Motley, as much as I love them. I'll wait until Cruefest next year to see them again, if that's the case.

And I love Hinder's cover of Bon Jovi's Bed Of Roses. If you haven't heard it, you should listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNDkKbPQwoc
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMakel
The band doesn't set ticket prices, their management negotiates with the arena's etc and they are the ones who set the prices based on what they have to pay the band, promotion, etc and their own profit margin. since a lot of these arena's are owned by corporations the prices can be basically the same. also, if 1 charges a price and have no problem selling tickets the others will do the same.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterdon
I don't listen to new music at all and I don't see why Motley wants to tour with all these new groups. I'm not a big fan of the Crue - I will probably see them once sometime in the next few years and that will be good enough for me.

I would rather see a band like FireHouse or Dokken than Motley Crue.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMatt
i don't think they are making a mistake. I love Hinder and i think thats totally rad that they are touring with motley crue especially since i didn't get to see either one this summer. Im glad they are touring again and the arenas are something that motley has been doing well for over 20 years. and i believe they will continue to do with in the arenas.

Motley Crue is the best band ever and will do well at whatever they do. They have already proved this, many many times.
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterChey
Seen Motley several times from way back in the early days, but I simply refuse to pay $100+ to see them until drunk fat bastard Vince puts forth some effort at even attempting to sing an entire sentence!

It's not like he has anything else to do during the day... the only thing he has to do is sing for 90 minutes 4-5 times a night. He has a bus or private jet to travel, roadies to do all the work... WTF?!

It's also hard to see Crue (or Def Leppard for that matter) again after they turned on the entire era that made them who they are. I'm sick of all these f**kin' bands acting like they're embarassed about the 80s. You wouldn't be here today if it weren't for the GLAM 80s, you a**holes!!!

I'll gladly pay to see AC/DC... they've changed or tried to be something they weren't... there's a band with true integrity!

Okay, I'm done venting! :)
October 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDick
ANOTHER POST SINCE IM LISENTING TO THE CRUE. YOU KNOW WHAT ANOTHER REASON THIS TOUR WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE WE ALL WANNA ESCAPE FROM EVRYDAY CRUE IS SUCH A BAND THAT PROVES THAT ITS JUST A GREAT ESCAPE FROM EVERYDAY LIFE NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE SEE ARE FAVORITE BANDS IT JUS TAKES US AWAY FROM EVERYDAY AND THATS WHY WE KEEP PAYIN TO SEE THESE ACTS. U JUS GO BACK TO WHEN UR YOUNG OR WISH U WERE YOUNG AT THE TIME SOME OF THESES BANDS WERE HUGE SO MATTER HOW SHITTY THE ECONOMY OR WHAT WE GOTTA DO TO GO WREE GONNA GO BC ITS JUST ROCK N ROLL AND BETTER THAN UR AVERAGE EVERYDAY CHEERS AND CANT WAIT FOR NEW GNR BABY
October 16, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGNFR
Maybe Motley will be playing smaller markets this time around? That'd be cool since I was outta town when they came around my area. As for Hinder, I've seen em live, and it was rape on my ears. I really wanted to like em, hell I didn't even go buy booze during their set. But they're not for me. My wife digs their songs though so maybe you'll get into it.
October 16, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDavid

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