Yeah fuck those guys. Especially that fat bald fuck.

The thrash guys were always jealous of the glam scene because the glam scene has all of the talent and the looks to boot. I'll give Metallica their props because they do have some great music but the rest of that stuff is terrible!

YA gotta love bitter old fat guys with receding hair lines hammering on "hair bands" like Motley (who've sold close to one hundred million albums) as compared to said fat guys who've sold thousands...8>)

Well, let's get serious here. In terms of pure technical ability, it takes a lot more to be able to play a Slayer or Metallica song, than it takes to play 'Looks that kill'. I like both styles of music, and I think talking about 'better' guitar players is dumb, because music is not just about who can play faster. Kerry King and Tom Araya made the main point - the thrash guys hated the glam guys b/c the glam guys got the girls. I think mostly because glam is pop music, and thrash could never be.

Christian,

I've been playing guitar seriously since I was 11 (that would be 35 years now!)You are correct in that playing faster does noe equate to commercial sucess (see Malmsteen,Yngwie for example) It pretty much comes down to the hooks & big azzed choruses that GIRLS will sing along too and purchase. Because you know what, if the girls dig it, the guys will tolerate it! (see Bon Jovi, Jon as an example).Who do you think has a bigger bank acount and has gotten laid more, Richie Sambora or Kerry King?? When it comes down to brass tacks, Kerry would smoke him on the guitar, but I'm guessing Kerry hasn't seen Heather Locklear or Denise Richards naked inside of "his" 25 million dollar mansion!Sambora has.... 8>)

Meh... for as long as there has been music, people have thought that other bands sucked. And since it's totally subjective, the arguments can just go on and on forever and get people pissed off.

I will say this: guys like Mustaine, Hammett are certainly more technically proficient with their instruments than most guitarists, glam or not. It's simply harder to play crazy-fast, classically-based metal riffs than it is to play punk & blues-based rock. Unfortunately for King, his type of music is less likely to make girls want to sleep with him, and that's probably why he's cranky.

Glam
then there is everything else

yt has a few of those kind of vids - i just laugh at the ill informed.

Being a big fan of both styles of music, I think this debate is pretty silly. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's terrible, and just because you love something doesn't mean it's great.

that said, I think a little background is relevant to this discussion. I am speaking as somebody who absolutely lived and breathed underground thrash in the 80s to the point where I actually did a weekly thrash radio show in '86 and '87. There was definitely, albeit one-sided, an us versus them mentality in the thrash community back then. You have to remember that, by the mid 80s, hair metal was mainstream and completely bastardized by major record companies. thrash was anything but mainstream back then, but it did develop a devoted following by spitting in the face of anything mainstream, including hair metal. so, if that's what they did back then, why shouldn't they continue to do it now? There are plenty of hair metal guys who are pushing 50 that are acting like it's still 1986 so, if you're gonna hate the thrash guys for acting like they did 20 something years ago, fairness would dictate that you hate the hair metal guys for doing the same thing.

Gary - yeah, I've been playing for about the same length of time. You're spot on with everything you say. But, I wasn't talking about who got laid more, even the thrash guys were saying that was true. And, I personally value the ability to write a good hook more than the ability to shred, I'll take CC over Yngwie any day. But, the people I like most, do both. They shred AND they write good songs.

Bob - you're spot on, too. When you're in the underground, you either wish for the spotlight, or you assume the people in the spotlight are morons and take pride in your underground status. The thrash movement was not the first or last to do that. Of course, speaking as someone who was 'there' ( in that I was in Australia, I was not there, but I was a thrash fan in the 80s ), I remember it being all about the hot girls not wanting to talk to me anyhow, so I decided they were all clones who had sold out, and that being into thrash proved I was better than them anyhow. So, a defence mechanism for the socially inept.

It comes down to the fact that the true Thrash bands that make legible music have no beef with Glam Bands. Both genres have their share of good and bad, but you don't hear to many thrash guys belittling Mick Mars.

>But, the people I like most, do both. They shred AND they write good songs.<

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner Johnny!! Tell Christian what he's won! Couldn't have expressed that any better myself. I definitely wasn't trying to get down on thrash, as I have a pretty extensive collection of it on the old I-Pod.It's all good buddy, it just pizz's me off when one genre looks down it's nose at another. There's room for ANY good music in this old guys book! 8>)

Thrash metal simply had better musicians, also they werent making records just to try to get rich. I never understood people who thought that because one band made more money they must automatically be able to play better. It doesnt work that way. Same thing with the blues too. Theres plenty of people who can outplay John Lee Hooker, but never acheived his level of success, just as Alex Skolnick's leads would make CC Deville shit his lacy panties, but many people have never even heard of Testament. Bottom line is Thrash > gay LA metal any day