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Should Vince Neil Be Honored?

Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2011 at 12:01AM by Registered CommenterBrian Carvell | Comments29 Comments

It was recently announced that Vince Neil would be receiving the 'Lifetime Achievement in Rock 'n' Roll Award,' presented to him by Vegas Rocks! Magazine.  Few music related stories have ever bothered me quite as much as this one did.  Personally, I think that Vince is a deplorable human being, and that fact that people are choosing to honor him rather than shun him shocks me. 

My dislike for Vince has really developed over the past few years, but the primary reason has to do with his recent arrest in Las Vegas for driving under the influence (oddly enough, which occurred in the very city that is honoring him).  Let's all remember that Vince was solely responsible for the death of Razzle Dingley from Hanoi Rocks many years ago, as Vince crashed his car while he was driving drunk with Razzle in the car.  As tragic as that was, I did not hate Vince for that.  He was a young rock star that suddenly had a lot of money, and he made a bad decision which resulted in Razzle's tragic death.  However, this is an event that should have altered his life from that point forward.  He robbed the world of another life, and living with that must have been horrible.... but he did not learn his lesson, and he did it again, and endangered the lives of himself and others on the road. I do not care that it was 20 plus years after the fact, because it never should have happened again.  He is older and should be wiser now, but apparently he is still just as dumb as he was in his twenties.  Add to that the recent allegations of domestic violence, the many accounts of fans that have met him only to have him be outright rude to them, and the lackluster performance he delivers live.  I was at M3 in 2010, and Vince disappeared for three songs of a set that was less than an hour total. (Thankfully, his talented band did an amazing job, but how is Vince not present for that many songs that are being played by the Vince Neil Band)?
 
Yet Vince continues to do well in the world of rock. Motley Crue has embarked on a tour that is putting up successful numbers, and is expected to continue to do so throughout the summer. His solo band is doing well, his book sold many copies, and he is becoming quite the businessman (as he has really been branding his name as of late). What puzzles me is who is continuing to support him?  With the recent not guilty verdict on the Casey Anthony case, the world is asking, "Where is the justice for Caylee?" Everyone seems to be upset by the idea that Casey Anthony is poised to cash-in on the tragedy that her daughter suffered, and the world seems ready to boycott anything that her name is attached to. I understand this reaction, and it makes sense as most people would not want to see an accused murderer profit for any reason. 
 
My question to the readers of this site is this: are you going to protest and boycott any television shows featuring or books written by Casey Anthony regarding the death of her child and the trial that followed?  And if you answered "yes" to that question, are you also going to attend the Motley Crue tour this summer?  Finally, if your answer to both questions were "yes," then why do you support one person who we know took the life of another and yet continues to behave in the same dangerous manner, but not other who was not actually found guilty of any murder/manslaughter charges?  How do you decide which murders to support and which ones you will shun (assuming Casey Anthony did, in fact, murder her daughter)? Motley Crue will be at the Mohegan Sun Arena on July 15th (about an hour from my house), and I will be nowhere near the venue that night.  I do not deny the fact that Motley wrote some of the greatest songs of the genre and they put on an amazing live show, but I can not justify putting any of my money into Vince's pockets. 
 
Where is the justice for Razzle?

 

Reader Comments (29)

Well. Tell us how you really feel Brian!!!

I agree with a lot of this. He should know better than to drink and drive at his age. I've met Vince a few times and he was always very nice. Never any issues. Can't knock him there. No excuse for being rude to fans though.

You have to remember that he lost his daughter, which is also very tragic. And he also did a lot of charity work for childhood cancers (not sure if his work was more specific to Skylar's illness or not, sorry). But he has done some things that he deserves to be rewarded for, irrespective of some of the "dumb" things. Remember, he is human and he's not perfect.


And there is no similarity to Casey Anthony. She is a cold blooded child killer (in my opinion only, which has not nor ever will be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt).

So, answers are - Yes I will boycott anything to do with Casey Anthony and No I passed on Motley Crue this year. Played in TO a couple of days ago and I had no desire to go. Crue had some good tunes but I really don't like them anymore. Maybe Mick is ok, but the other guys have turned me off for various reasons.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterRita
The comparison to a child-killer aside, I think this is actually an interesting question.

I guess it comes down to this: what do you base a rock and roll award on?

Is it based on character traits and/or past misdeeds? If that was the case, there wouldn't be many rock stars who would be honored with anything. Yeah, Vince is a drunken buffoon with a history of bad mistakes, but he's not alone in that by any stretch.

Is it based on contributions to music? If that's the case, it is hard to make a case for Vince. He's self-admittedly the weakest member of Motley musically, and his solo stuff has been mediocre at best.

Or do you base it on some sort of overall Rockstar-ness that is hard to define, but you know it when you see it? If that's the case, then Vince is in hands down. For 30 years, he's been the charismatic front man of one of the biggest bands in history, and he's definitely earned his place in rock history.

Personally, I have no problems with him getting this, or any other awards. I also hope, and think they deserve, to find their way into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterBryon
I know everyone claims that they will boycott anything that will make a profit for Casey Anthony now...But in a year or two all the outrage will die off. When a book or movie is released there will be millions of people interested. I bet many who currently (in the heat of the moment) say they will boycott will end up either reading the book or seeing the movie.

As far as Vince goes... I don't know if Vince deserves this award or not. I'm sure awards have been given to much worse people. Once I moved to Vegas in 1999 I ran into Vince a lot, sometimes he was drunk and sometimes he wasn't. I do remember one night after a show (not Vince) at The House of Blues we were waiting at the valet to get our cars at the same time. Vince actually approached me and started up a conversation. We chatted for close to five minutes. Seemed like a really nice guy to me.

As far as going to the Motely show this year - I saw Cruefest when Joan and The Charm City Devils opened and was bored stiff. Vince sang about every 5th word. I saw them at Rocklahoma 2011 (I didn't have to pay for the festival) and Vince sang most of the words this time, he just forgot which key they were suppose to be in. So.. NO I will skip the tour when it comes through... Not as a boycott, but because The Crue sucks live.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterROCK-IT
I totally agree with you Brian. The tour is coming to a venue less than 15 minutes from my house and I will not be anywhere to be found.

I just think Vince can't sing anymore and he is totally calling in his performances.

Should a person who Murdered someone be honored, Not a chance.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterJN
I agree that with Vince's recent DUI incident was pretty dumb on his part after what he been through back in the 80s, but like someone says he's not perfect and he's only human.

That being said, I think there's no comparison between Vince and Casey Anthony. Vince has to live with the accident that killed his friend. So what does that have to do with Casey that killed her little innocent daughter? Vince was not out to kill anyone, it was a tragic accident. Caylee's was not; she wanted her out of the way so she could party.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterNina
I disagree Nina. When he went out driving drunk recently, he knew all to well the possible consequences of his actions, but he did it anyway. He endangered himself and all those around him on the roads. He put all of their lives in danger after having already being responsible for the death of Razzle. To me, that is just as cold blooded as Casey's actions. She didn't care about her daughter's life and Vince didn't care about the lives of those that he put in danger. Both are selfish piles of trash and neither deserve to be honored.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterBrian C.
IMHO, Vince was, still is, and always will be the "weakest link" in Motley. Saw them in 89 on the Dr. Feelgood tour,and again in 2005 on the Carnival of Sins tour, and Vince outright sucked the 2nd time. The band was tight as hell and blew the roof off of the place, but Vince sang about every 4th word,and those words were off key.He mailed it in, plain and simple. I judge a singer by their live voice, because anybody can sound like a million bucks in the studio.And both times I heard Vinny live, I definitely wasn't impressed....
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterGary
The only award that fat slob should get is The Lifetime Free Burgers at McDonalds.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered Commenterjimbo
Was Vince Neil, solely, responsible for the death of Razzle? I agree with the fact that it is ignorant of Vince to continue to drink and drive, but did he force Razzle in the car with him? Was Razzle at the same party as Vince? Was he watching and drinking with vince? When I tell my younger siblings and children not to drink and drive, I also tell them not to get in a car with someone who has. Just because Razzle wasn't driving, doesn't absolve him of any responsibility in regards to his decision. Tragic? Yes. Solely the fault of vince Neil? Not likely.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterGEO II
The Crue sucks live ??? Must have hit the wrong show because the 6 times I have seen them, they were stellar. Well, minus the the second Cruefest.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterSpence
Yes, solely. Only one person was driving the car while drunk and then subsequently crashes the car. Raze made a bad decision in getting in the car with Vince, but Vince killed Razzle.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterBrian C.
Could not disagree with you more, bro. I'm sorry, but in my humble opinion, Razzle committed suicide as much as Vince Neil killed him. If you know that someone has been drinking & get in the car with them YOU are making a decision to put your life at risk. You can say no & walk away & live. I am NOT sticking up for Vince here. What he did was wrong, but to remove all blame from the person who got in the car, knowing that he was in no shape to drive, is being naive. If you told me that Vince picked Razzle up & he had no idea that Vince had been drinking, different story. However, Razzle was there, knew the situation & still made the choice. Maybe, our definition of solely is different.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterGEO II
Vince is rock n roll. He's done some good charitable things and overall seems to be a decent person. He screwed up with Razzle - no doubt. Everyone's done some bonehead things in their lives. I think Vince's good outweighs his bad. That's my opinion. I try not to judge - karma is a bitch, and I'm no angel. (one of the reason I like rock n' roll - especially the Crue) -M'fer of the Year
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterMEWIZEMGIC
I think too many people are missing the point of the post. Vince Neil killed Razzle in a car accident as a result of his drunk driving, yet years later, he continues to do so. He has charges pending that allege domestic violence and he is known to be an all around ass. Why would this man be honored?

I understand he lost his daughter and that was certainly tragic, and yes, he organized some charity events in her name...certainly creating good out of a tragedy, but unless I am wrong, the Skylar Neil foundation has been quiet for some years now, and what we have now is the man that continues to put people's lives at risk when he drives drunk, that treats people like garbage, and that (allegedly) hit women. So what do we do with someone like this? Well, apparently, we buy tickets to his concerts, buy his book, and honor him with awards. It is wrong.

Vince getting behind the wheel drunk recently, to me, is no different than Casey killing her child. He knew, all too well, the consequences of his actions, and yet he did not stop. He did what he wanted to do because he is Vince Neil, and the rest of us be damned.

I don't care if he is fat, that he can't sing, or that he can't write song to save his live. My point is he is a disgrace, yet we continue to pay and now honor him.

So why do we react with shock and disgust at one morally corrupt individual (Casey) and then line up for autographs for another (Vince). How is it that people can continue to support someone like this, just because he sang songs that we all loved years ago?

And I do think he is solely responsible. As I said, Razzle made a bad decision, but he did not commit suicide. He should have known better, but it was Vince's inability to drive the vehicle due to his intoxication that directly caused Razzle's death. There is no comparative negligence for a passenger sitting in an automobile. I wish he knew better than to get in the car, but make no mistake about it...it was Vince's actions that killed him. And Vince has admitted this, and admitted to being the OJ of the 80s because he basically bought his way out of any meaningful sentence.
July 7, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterBrian C.
I love Motley Music, but Vince represents a real bad example for kids. About his voice? he lost the voice many years ago. And now! Tommy Lee came up with this Fuc... roller coaster drum and playng disco music. Come on !!! Lets focus with who is real doing nice music, and there are a lot!!! Best
July 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterClax
Well by going to a Motley concert is supporting Vince, I go because I support Mick Mars and I know his time is getting shorter by the day when he can go on stage and play. As far as the Razzle tragedy I look at it as karma came back and took Vince's daughter. Here's my take on drinking and driving, while I don't condone doing this at all, there are tons of people who do it regularly, the catch is they don't get caught.EVERYBODY, knows better than to do it but it still happens all the time. I use to do it all the time with no concern for anybody but myself getting home. I don't do that anymore. I'll find a ride or have a DD to haul me around. People do stupid things all the time. I don't think by going to a concert I am supporting Vince's drunk driving habits. Look around people, the last few years bad behavior has and will be rewarded, why? I have no idea!!??
July 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterGunntherd
Despite Neil singing like a long lost member of Little Alvin & The Chipmunks, killing Razzle, permanently injuring the people in the other vehicle, his follow-up DUI arrests and just being a plain all around as*hole (You shoulda seen him in action on Shiprocked last year -- talk about mailing it in and being a total pr*ck to people), I will go see The Poison Dolls Crüe on tour because, as others have pointed out, how much longer can Marrs still be able to get on stage?

As far as comparing him to Anthony, she's way more evil. I live in Orlando and lemme tell ya sumthin' -- if they can f*ck sumthin' up, chances are it's gonna happen in Florida. This Casey chick is psycho and the fact they couldn't get her on Manslaughter or at the very least, Child Abuse is simply unfrickin' believable.

Look, even tho Neil's a total neanderthal f*ck-up for doin' what he did and subsequent transgressions, he didn't set out to kill
Razzle or paralyze and/or severely injure the others (Don't forget them, either, people). He didn't pre-meditate killing his 3-year-old daughter!

It duz suck, however, that his attempt at a path to redemption has been half-as*ed at best and even tho he's probably goin' to he'll in a hay basket for it, I'll try and catch theez clowns as many times as I can and can afford until Marrs knocks off.

p.s. Weirdly, I just wrote this while waiting in line at the DMV.
July 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterMetalboy!
Razzle made a decision to get in the car with vince, they were partying together and they both have to take responsibility for their actions that day. While i dont agree with recent choices by vince as far as his dui arrest, we dont know the details, you can get a dui for being under the legal blood alcohol limit if the cop thinks your driving was impaired. We all know most of you have driven home after a few drinks and been over the legal limit to do so. Like i said i dont condone nor agree but its something many have been guilty of.

Also vince lost his daughter when she was a child, someone no one should have to endure. He puts on a celebrity golf tournament ever year to honor her memory and raise money for charity.

Im not saying he should win man of the year, especially in his cargo shorts an man sandals, but i think your post was more than harsh. We are all human and we all do fucked up things at times, we just do the best we can sometimes.
July 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterSean
Well said Brian!

Vince IS a murderer. And an unrepentant one at that.
July 8, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterAce Steele
WOW. What has this world come to when you compare vehicular manslaughter to murder one and aggravated child abuse? Was there pre meditation in Vince drunk driving either time? I seriously doubt it. Even Vince's wife at the time of Razzles death said he was not that drunk. Please keep in mind that in the 80ies Drunk Driving was commonplace. People did not think about it. The strict laws came into play later on. The awareness of how wrong it was came in later on.

The Skylar Neil Foundation has been active every year since she passed. Vince hosts a golf tournament and sometimes an "off the strip" poker tournament. So, We have a man who to this day is donating to save children and you compare him to an accused child killer? WOW. http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Official-Skylar-Neil-Foundation/68739782083?sk=pe are the events for the last couple of years for the Skylar Neil Foundation, if you need the proof.

I think we all need to look at the DISEASE of alcoholism before we pass too much blame here. I think it is a known fact Vince Neil is an alcoholic. I am not saying he should have gotten in his car and drove either time. It is a well known fact he has been in and out of rehabs repeatedly, he has also had to pay the band management lots of money for being unable to stop drinking when it was in his contract (something like 10K per drink in the mid 90ies).

On the abuse accusations. As of right now there is a no-contact order between BOTH parties. I have seen pictures of injuries on BOTH parties.

Motley Crue, as a whole, has done some great and infamous things in music. Any member of the band should be recognized for those contributions regardless of what is going on in their personal life. Why shouldn't Vince get a lifetime achievement award? He has been an artist for 30 years, more time than MOST have ever dreamed of. He has been a part of one of the most dynamic bands of the 80's who managed to reinvent themselves and become relevant once again. Let's face it Motley should never be viewed as role models. EVER. In reality what does that have to do with a life time achievement award?

To the writer of this blog, I see Vince bashed, a lot. I have never posted, I agree his voice is not what it used to be, his weight fluctuates (so what on the weight we all get heavier as we age) This particular blog was so infuriating comparing Vince to Casey that I felt I needed to post. HOW DARE YOU compare someone who lost their child to cancer to an accused child killer.
July 9, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterMM

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