Sunday
Aug042019
Disgust.
Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 08:54AM
Because this is America now apparently. Another mass shooting, this time in Dayton, Ohio - my metro area since I graduated college back in 2001. Yes, I've been to the Oregon District many times. Yes, I've been to Ned Peppers bar. As of 9:00 a.m. ET officials have not released the victim list. Those of us who live here are bracing for the bad news.
In Dayton, Ohio, police said at least 9 people were killed and 16 others wounded. Police shot and killed the gunman and have not identified a motive. The city's mayor said the shooter was outfitted in body armor and had multiple high-capacity magazines. https://t.co/ru8irOmKmq
— The New York Times (@nytimes) August 4, 2019
Reader Comments (14)
Vote out those who refuse to take action to improve our nation’s gun laws and also those who incite division, hatred and violence.
Unfortunately America was shielded for years and are now experiencing what other countries go through and have had to take security measures to protect their citizens. Visit anywhere in the middle east you will find armed guards on buses, at shopping centers. malls etc...
NO one thinks it will happen to them until it does. These types of actions taken by cowards shake peoples foundations to the core and then people demand accountability and change.
The words security posture and threat assessment are words everyone should understand. Be vigilant, know your surroundings and have some idea of how to protect yourself and evade in the event of one of these situations occur. Decide how you will react - evade or engage.
There is no concrete answer on how to move forward, no one action will make the changes that will prevent this from happening - It takes cultural change on a multi-faceted level along with legislation and being proactive instead of reactive.
Remove guns - I disagree but change the way we think, how we raise our children, and get involved together and we can help each other and maybe prevent this sickness from claiming more lives.
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1836949580
I'm all for other solutions. By all means, let's improve mental health diagnoses and treatment; let's get rid of the hate on 8chan (and Facebook and YouTube) that radicalises the shooters. However, getting rid of the guns is the only guaranteed way to stop the mass slaughter. Sure, other items can be deadly. But no cowardly jackass can kill 58 people and wound 422 more from a room on the 32nd floor of a hotel with a knife.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/the-best-gun-control-commercial-ever-produced
Thanks to District of Columbia v. Heller, in order to get rid of the guns, the Second Amendment probably has to go. Or at least the wording needs to be changed to reflect that the government keeps the standing army, not the individuals.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856
We can worry about all the other stuff later. In the United States, right now, at this particular point in history, it's the guns which are causing all the problems.
It's illegal to kill people. Reform and punish that first. Oh but I forgot, criminals have rights to. I doubt they read the 2nd amendment on if they can or cannot find and have a gun.
big cities are being choked to death by homelessness: people breaking into businesses, urinating and defficating in the streets; spreading diseases and accelerating economic decline because consumers won't go near businesses where they might be confronted by a homeless person. many homeless people are just trying to make their way in a country where they really can't get ahead, but there are enough homeless people who have serious mental issues and/or drug adictions which make them quite dangerous, or at least threatening.
In rural areas, people can't find decent paying work because much of the manual labor that would have earned them a decent wage 50 years ago is now done by machines. Without a means of supporting themselves, they become depressed and addicted to opiates. Then, once they're addicted, they can't afford treatment so the downward spiral continues.
This was a problem long before Donald Trump became President, but thanks to his antimedia, antiimmigrant rhetoric, now the racists can come out in full force and join the mass-shooting bonanza as well. Add in the fact that, instead of trying to come up with real, workable solutions, our President would rather go on TV and Twitter, and blame the Democrats and the media for everything; further driving a deeper division between this country's citizens, and ultimately enraging some of them to the point of more gun violence.
Again though, there were plenty of people being gunned down in this country before Trump took office, but he is the one who is in the best position to do something about it now. My fear, (Largely founded I suspect), is that this country is way too far gone to fix itself. We are now the Divided States of America, where the American dream, for a lot of people, is nothing more than a dream, and when some people feel that they are completely out of options, they will snap. And, thanks to this ridiculous cowboy mentality that too many people in this country think still exists, guns are everywhere, and super easy to get; so they simply get their hands on one, or several, and end the lives of a bunch of innocent people.
God bless America.
Media controls the masses, the real truth is hard to find. So much deception, deflection and blame games.
NO easy answer or solution but if we continue down this road the divided states will implode.
Until people realize our so called leaders are in it for nothing but profit, shit will stay the same. I always think of it as a feeding trough,with Republicans on one side and Democrats on the other, both swilling all they can. Problem is we fill that trough with our taxes.Their "thoughts and prayers" warehouse should be empty by now after all the innocent lives lost. But the "zero f@cks given" is a self sustaining entity unto itself apparently.
Sorry for my rant. I will now return you to your regularly scheduled programming (which will most likely be interrupted by the next slaughter of innocent people just at the wrong place at the wrong time)
We’re talking about what Trump proposed today — the Red Flag Laws, though there should be an outright ban on assault weapons, etc.
I’m more with Gogmagog and GNR on this but do agree with certain elements contained within Gary’s, Shawn’s and Bob’s comments. Gary’s descriptions of the big trough with both Republicans and Democrats feeding from it and the “thoughts and prayers” warehouse hit the nail on the head about what our nation’s politicians are really thinking and feeling.
Trump asked for prayers to go out to Toledo, Ohio, not Dayton, where the domestic terrorist attack actually took place. And on the other side of the trough, Biden called for thoughts and prayers to go out to Michigan, not Ohio.
Could you not have the simple decency to at least look like you care enough about the tragedies by making sure you get the names of the towns right, for Godssakes?!
7 dead
52 wounded
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